
What's the deal with tongues? In this article, Jesse Medina recounts his experience in an Assemblies of God church with a high value on speaking in tongues. But what about the weirdness? Can we throw tongues out altogether? Read and Interact
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What's the deal with tongues? In this article, Jesse Medina recounts his experience in an Assemblies of God church with a high value on speaking in tongues. But what about the weirdness? Can we throw tongues out altogether? Read and Interact
Written by AJ Teaters
Ask anyone in the world when they felt the closest to experiencing heaven and I think it’s safe to assume that 98% of them will say, “SEX!” (the other 2% are virgins). Sex is amazing, sex is powerful, sex is milk and cookies; it’s perfection. How perfect is sex? Sex is so perfect that society has centered everything on it. Sex is seen everywhere: music, movies, television, advertisement… the list goes on but why do we focus so much on sex? Why, because it’s SEX!
I’m not going to be the obvious egotistical male and say that sex is on my mind 100% of the time, but I will be the honest male and say that it is on my mind 95% of the time and the other 5% of my time is devoted to figuring out a way to get my wife to agree to have sex with me. My justifications for sex range anywhere from missing her touch to burning calories. What I have learned is that no matter the excuse (which I like to think my wife finds cute and endearing) she wants to be close to me.
Side note: Roses don’t hurt the cause either boys ;-).
Sex is a constant thought in my mind (please don’t overlook the sarcasm) but since I am also a Christian, Jesus is a constant thought in my mind. These two thoughts are not at conflict with each other but they do run into each other from time to time which is where the question “Will there be sex in Heaven?” came from.
I like to picture my Heaven with big fluffy clouds, where we are all flying around in white robes, worshipping God, and having sex.
Is there going to be sex in Heaven? The question begs (no pun intended) to be answered. My answer is probably as short and sweet as your first time (emphasis on the short) - it's yes.
Reasons for Sex in Heaven:
1. The Garden of Eden: Heaven on Earth. You can’t try and argue the fact that Adam and Eve didn’t have sex in the Garden. The Perfect Man and Perfect Woman, molded by God’s hands, equals perfect sex (its simple math). If there was sex in the Garden, which was Heaven on Earth, why not in actual Heaven?
2. Song of Solomon comes to mind. It outlines the relationship of a man and woman from courtship to consummation. Song of Solomon is also looked at as an allegory of God’s love for His children or the souls’ relationship to Christ. A few examples of ''Sexy Scripture'':
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Julie · 787 weeks ago
Besides, if there was literal sex in heaven, who would we be having sex with?
What the God 13p · 787 weeks ago
kaikunane 65p · 787 weeks ago
Way to set the tone for this blog early!
Julie · 787 weeks ago
Corrigan · 787 weeks ago
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kaikunane 65p · 787 weeks ago
Y'all have a gift w/ captions by the way. lol!
Seth Medina · 787 weeks ago
What The God · 787 weeks ago
Jesse Medina 32p · 787 weeks ago
With that in mind, I wonder why God would, come heaven-time suddenly decide that sex is not a part of that plan. It was part of the original plan, before sin, why wouldn't it also be a part of the repaired plan, after sin?
Desiree · 787 weeks ago
If we do get to experience sex in Heaven I can only imagine the intensity and pleasure.
Jason · 787 weeks ago
I understand the question "If sex was in the garden why not in heaven." However, The garden was not heaven, it was perfect earth. The rules changed after the fall, they changed again after Christ's first coming, and I believe they change again at Christ's second coming. Therefore, we can't conclude that Heaven is going to be like the garden. The garden plan was blown now on to another one. What hasn't changed is the perfection of God's plan, and the purpose - relationship between God and man.
As far as the arguement that says "Because it is so awesome, heaven must incorporate it" is concerned, why would we desire a heaven that is only as good as this life's best? This life is limited, even in its best.
Theologically speaking, my take is:
1) Sex, while pleasurable, was God's tool to fill the earth. Earth, being primarily physical, was filled with people thru physical birth. These people would each have the opportunity to have relationship with himself. Heaven, being primarily spiritual, is filled with those who have experienced spiritual birth - this requires spiritual regeneration, not physical procreation.
2) It is a teaching tool - God teaches us stuff about our relationship with him thru the marriage relationship. Marriage teaches us exclusivity. You see, if God's only goal for humans was procreation and ecology then we could be like animals and have sex with whoever just to make sure the eco system is balanced and our genetic line continues. But God teaches us the discipline of "No other gods" thru the practice of "no other guys." It teaches us intimacy (knowing & being known) with God as we know and are known by another person in a very vulnerable and unique way. Along with other lessons.
The pleasure of sex is merely a glimpse of heaven, but we can't mistake it for heaven. To do so diminishes heaven to the best of this world - even the best of this world is flawed.
Jesse Medina 32p · 787 weeks ago
I appreciate your gentle pushback and think that you make some good points. But, it comes apart easily under one (false) premise: that heaven is a spiritual/non-physical place.
I think you may have misunderstood my point for bringing up the garden (or maybe you didn't). The garden was the goal. We messed things up and thus are no longer in the Garden, but the garden is STILL the goal. Since the Fall, God has been trying to get us back to the Garden.
You are mistaking spiritual heaven as the ultimate goal, but its not. I say spiritual heaven just to use some of your own terminology. Spiritual heaven is where our souls go when our bodies die...but the Bible is clear that our souls will not remain body-less forever. At some point, there will be a resurrection of both the living and the dead...some resurrected to life and some to death.
So what?
Well, Revelation speaks of the New Heavens and the New Earth - the place where the glory of God fills the earth (notice it is not the glory of God filling heaven) as water fills the sea. Our ultimate destination (What N.T. Wright calls life AFTER life after death - see Surprised by Hope) is a return to the original plan - the garden. Of course, things will be a little different since there won't be another Fall.
So, ultimately, heaven is physical. Perhaps even more physical than this world currently is (stealing from C.S. Lewis now). And while I understand the reservation that many here have with sex in heaven - by the way, I'm not sure I'm quite comfortable with the concept - I don't think it beyond the realm of possibility at all. It may look different, but if God created sex in the Garden, before the Fall, there is a good chance it will be in Heaven, after the effects of the Fall have been completely redeemed.
There is much more that could be said here (and even what I've said is just a nutshell), but I'll leave it at that for now as I wait for your response.
Jason · 787 weeks ago
I say primarily spiritual because what Jesus came to resurrect in His first coming was our spirit. Paul talks abundantly about our spiritual death, especially in the book of Romans. Why? Because what keeps us from relationship from God is not our flesh being alive but our spirits being dead to God. Why? Because God is spirit. While alot may be physical in heaven, God is spirit. While we may relate to God, serve God, and worship God, thru the physical, we connect to God thru our spirit.
I don't think that heaven is the goal (spiritual or physical). Nor do I think getting back to the garden (its specific location/specific practices, ie. sex, walking in the cool of the day, etc.) is the goal either. I think that the goal is restored relationship with God wherever/whenever we are. What was severed in the at the fall and at the loss of the garden was not the relationship between man & woman, it was flawed but not severed. What was severed was the relationship between man and the Father.
Getting "us back to the garden" is not about us having sex here or there. The truth of the matter is that we have no idea how things would have played out in the garden over time. Once the world was full of people God may have put a hault to sex. Bummer, I know, but who's to say. Again we can speculate on what we can speculate, but we believe what's written under our nose - Does the Bible limit sex to marriage? Yes. Does the Bible limit marriage to this world? Yes! Unless you are LDS.
I think "getting us back to the garden" means getting us back into right relationship with God for every season of our existence. I don't think it means that life works the same at every season - Principles, sure; however, practices, not necessarily.
At the crux of the sex in heaven question, is the marriage in heaven question. What's your take? Do you believe that the Bible limits sex to marriage? If so, what do you do with Matthew 22:30 "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."?
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Jesse Medina 32p · 787 weeks ago
Restored relationship with God is the goal, but Scripture is clear that this relationship plays out in a new heaven/new earth scenario. And in that new earth, we have every reason to believe that God intends to restore not just us, but all of creation, to what it was meant to be in the first place. You might disagree with what that is, but it makes perfect sense to conclude that it looks like the Garden.
Like I said, I don't know that there will be sex in heaven and I think there's actually more evidence against the notion than there is for it, but to throw the idea out completely doesn't help either. God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply (no indication that this was 'for a time' either), and they weren't "married" in the way that we understand marriage.
Now regarding marriage in heaven, I don't know. Jesus actually doesn't say whether marriages made on earth continue in heaven, just that marriages are not made in heaven. If I were to take the literalist approach, I would conclude that when we go to heaven, we become angels, but we know that this isn't true either. Humans are different from angels by design if, for no other reason than that we are embedded with God's own image.
There's a ton of ambiguity here.
Jason · 787 weeks ago
That set aside, I see thru your take on Matthew 20:30 that I have read that verse with a conclusion already in mind. It is true that it does not touch on marriages already in place. For me, this is the only point that holds H20 and is enough to make me rethink. Not changing my theology just yet, but definately makes me want to study that verse a little more.
One last question, Why do you think this is a relevant question for your audience? I think it is, but was wondering why you thought so.
Jesse Medina 32p · 787 weeks ago
-First, its not defined as either. Both are completely acceptable so long as they are done respectfully. Debate can be judgment-free just fine.
Second, I wasn't meaning to make an extreme statement regarding your stance, I was just picking up on a spiritual/physical divide and wanted to comment on it. You may not have gone as far as most Christians (who are secretly Gnostic) and said that the physical is bad, but you did set heaven up as a "primarily spiritual" place as a way to demonstrate that there won't be physical birth. You then acknowledged that, sure there will be physical realities but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus came first to redeem our souls. Of course, you're correct, but this doesn't make heaven a "primarily spiritual" place where the functions and activities carried out in the body are of secondary concern. That's where I see a significant leap in your logic.
Essentially, you went from Jesus redeeming our souls in his first coming to God being Spirit to Heaven being primarily spiritual to that's why there won't be physical birth.
If I've misunderstood your position, please let me know. I've read over your responses a couple times and think I've gotten it right.
In response, I'll say this. God is Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in truth, as Jesus said. In heaven, though, we will have bodies (albeit glorified) and do physical things. And those physical things, whatever they may be, will be a means of worship in the new world as we do all things as unto the Lord and where his glory will fill every nook and cranny of our existence. The cool part, as we see from Paul's teaching, is that we can begin to do that even now.
Finally...why did we think this a relevant question? I wrote it down because it popped into my head one day. I was probably thinking about my relationship with my wife and wondered what sort of relationship we might have in heaven.
So, i figured if I was curious, others probably were, too.
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