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Ask anyone in the world when they felt the closest to experiencing heaven and I think it’s safe to assume that 98% of them will say, “SEX!” (the other 2% are virgins). Sex is amazing, sex is powerful, sex is milk and cookies; it’s perfection. How perfect is sex? Sex is so perfect that society has centered everything on it. Sex is seen everywhere: music, movies, television, advertisement… the list goes on but why do we focus so much on sex? Why, because it’s SEX!

I’m not going to be the obvious egotistical male and say that sex is on my mind 100% of the time, but I will be the honest male and say that it is on my mind 95% of the time and the other 5% of my time is devoted to figuring out a way to get my wife to agree to have sex with me. My justifications for sex range anywhere from missing her touch to burning calories. What I have learned is that no matter the excuse (which I like to think my wife finds cute and endearing) she wants to be close to me.

Side note: Roses don’t hurt the cause either boys ;-).

Sex is a constant thought in my mind (please don’t overlook the sarcasm) but since I am also a Christian, Jesus is a constant thought in my mind. These two thoughts are not at conflict with each other but they do run into each other from time to time which is where the question “Will there be sex in Heaven?” came from.

I like to picture my Heaven with big fluffy clouds, where we are all flying around in white robes, worshipping God, and having sex.

Is there going to be sex in Heaven? The question begs (no pun intended) to be answered. My answer is probably as short and sweet as your first time (emphasis on the short) - it's yes.

Reasons for Sex in Heaven:

1. The Garden of Eden: Heaven on Earth. You can’t try and argue the fact that Adam and Eve didn’t have sex in the Garden. The Perfect Man and Perfect Woman, molded by God’s hands, equals perfect sex (its simple math). If there was sex in the Garden, which was Heaven on Earth, why not in actual Heaven?

2. Song of Solomon comes to mind. It outlines the relationship of a man and woman from courtship to consummation. Song of Solomon is also looked at as an allegory of God’s love for His children or the souls’ relationship to Christ. A few examples of ''Sexy Scripture'':

  • Song 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."
  • Song 7:8-9 I said, "I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit." May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.
  • Song 4:16 [ Beloved ] "Awake, north wind, and come, south wind! Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad. Let my lover come into his garden and taste its choice fruits."
I hope that I don't have to go into what these scriptures are alluding to, but if you didn't catch on to that last one "Garden" is not referring to a literal garden. It's referring to her vagina, hopefully that clears it up. So, moving forward, if I have my theology correct God resides in Heaven and God is the inspiration for the Bible, then God is thinking about sex in Heaven. God is using the thought of sex to inspire us through His word and where is God... Heaven. Thus, sex in Heaven. (It's all very complicated...kinda like your sex life.)

3. God commanded us to have sex, “As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it," (Gen. 9:7). Is this the only reason God created sex… for multiplication? Personally, I don’t like to picture my God that mathematical, I like to think of sex as an act of worship to God. What better way to worship God than recreating the allegory He outlined in His love story to us?

And last time I checked Heaven was 24/7, don’t-stop-til-your-body-drops worship. I’m not saying Heaven is going to be one giant orgy (perverts), but what I am saying is that sex will be an option of worship in heaven.

What’s your take? Why might Heaven not be a place for sex?

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Obviously sex is supposed to be intimate, it's the most intimate you can be with another person. So, while I disagree that there will be literal sex in heaven, I do agree that there will be complete intimacy in Heaven.

Besides, if there was literal sex in heaven, who would we be having sex with?
5 replies · active 787 weeks ago
The "Sunday-school answer" does NOT work in response to that question!
Haha! Touche!
Way to set the tone for this blog early!
why not?
Because the Sunday school answer is Jesus.... and that's weird.
Weird, but hilarious!
True confession - I randomly wondered the same thing just the other day. More specifically I wondered if Adam & Eve had sex in the garden before "The Fall". After your post it makes total sense that the Heavenly experience of worship might include sex.

Y'all have a gift w/ captions by the way. lol!
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Seth Medina · 787 weeks ago

I would totally disagree with you on this. I don't know if your just trying to be funny or what, but thats a good question "who would we have sex with in heaven?" In the Bible sex is clearly defined as good when two have entered into a marriage, and it also says that there will be no marriage in heaven. I would agree that it could be a form of worship when with your wife, but again that is while you are here on earth.
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What The God · 787 weeks ago

I would like to raise another question then... What does the Bible say about those who do not marry? Because it is my understanding that God wants us to enter into marriage and why when we get to heaven does that marriage dissolve? Because what is earthly no longer matters in Heaven? Why wouldn't God want to keep His wonderful metaphor alive? Can anyone really say what Heaven will be like or are all our Heavenly ideas just an interpretation?
Actually, I think the better question actually does come down to whether there was sex in the Garden. God didn't intend for The Fall to happen, which means that The Garden is what life was supposed to be like. After The Fall, though, God has been trying to redeem us in order to get us back to the way things were in The Garden.

With that in mind, I wonder why God would, come heaven-time suddenly decide that sex is not a part of that plan. It was part of the original plan, before sin, why wouldn't it also be a part of the repaired plan, after sin?
I think that with sex being such an emotional and vanerable moment of intimacy between two people, that is how it is supposed to be anyway, it is also extremely gratifying, giving, enjoyable, pleasurable and a sensory overload and I would love to think that it will also be that way in Heaven. I do not think that is like a buffet of people and you can go up and pick and choose something different when the mood calls, but that the person who was your sould mate on earth wether you found them on earth or had to wait to get to Heaven, will meet us just inside the Pearly Gates and you will instantly experience the feeling of true love, more intense then what we are capable of handling on Earth. I like to imagine that Heaven is a place where I see all those who I love and missed over the years. But I cant help but wonder, with all of the love we will experience in Heaven, a love and joy that we can not even imagine, will we desire sex? Will sex be important? Will we still have that desire and need of the closeness and emotional connection that we do while on earth?
If we do get to experience sex in Heaven I can only imagine the intensity and pleasure.
When you draw conclusions as a Christian it has to start with what we know the Bible says. The Bible limits sex to marriage, and it limits marriage to this world.

I understand the question "If sex was in the garden why not in heaven." However, The garden was not heaven, it was perfect earth. The rules changed after the fall, they changed again after Christ's first coming, and I believe they change again at Christ's second coming. Therefore, we can't conclude that Heaven is going to be like the garden. The garden plan was blown now on to another one. What hasn't changed is the perfection of God's plan, and the purpose - relationship between God and man.

As far as the arguement that says "Because it is so awesome, heaven must incorporate it" is concerned, why would we desire a heaven that is only as good as this life's best? This life is limited, even in its best.

Theologically speaking, my take is:

1) Sex, while pleasurable, was God's tool to fill the earth. Earth, being primarily physical, was filled with people thru physical birth. These people would each have the opportunity to have relationship with himself. Heaven, being primarily spiritual, is filled with those who have experienced spiritual birth - this requires spiritual regeneration, not physical procreation.

2) It is a teaching tool - God teaches us stuff about our relationship with him thru the marriage relationship. Marriage teaches us exclusivity. You see, if God's only goal for humans was procreation and ecology then we could be like animals and have sex with whoever just to make sure the eco system is balanced and our genetic line continues. But God teaches us the discipline of "No other gods" thru the practice of "no other guys." It teaches us intimacy (knowing & being known) with God as we know and are known by another person in a very vulnerable and unique way. Along with other lessons.

The pleasure of sex is merely a glimpse of heaven, but we can't mistake it for heaven. To do so diminishes heaven to the best of this world - even the best of this world is flawed.
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Jason,

I appreciate your gentle pushback and think that you make some good points. But, it comes apart easily under one (false) premise: that heaven is a spiritual/non-physical place.

I think you may have misunderstood my point for bringing up the garden (or maybe you didn't). The garden was the goal. We messed things up and thus are no longer in the Garden, but the garden is STILL the goal. Since the Fall, God has been trying to get us back to the Garden.

You are mistaking spiritual heaven as the ultimate goal, but its not. I say spiritual heaven just to use some of your own terminology. Spiritual heaven is where our souls go when our bodies die...but the Bible is clear that our souls will not remain body-less forever. At some point, there will be a resurrection of both the living and the dead...some resurrected to life and some to death.

So what?

Well, Revelation speaks of the New Heavens and the New Earth - the place where the glory of God fills the earth (notice it is not the glory of God filling heaven) as water fills the sea. Our ultimate destination (What N.T. Wright calls life AFTER life after death - see Surprised by Hope) is a return to the original plan - the garden. Of course, things will be a little different since there won't be another Fall.

So, ultimately, heaven is physical. Perhaps even more physical than this world currently is (stealing from C.S. Lewis now). And while I understand the reservation that many here have with sex in heaven - by the way, I'm not sure I'm quite comfortable with the concept - I don't think it beyond the realm of possibility at all. It may look different, but if God created sex in the Garden, before the Fall, there is a good chance it will be in Heaven, after the effects of the Fall have been completely redeemed.

There is much more that could be said here (and even what I've said is just a nutshell), but I'll leave it at that for now as I wait for your response.
I was careful to use the word "primarily" to make room for our resurrected bodies, new earth, streets of gold, mansion, food, etc. I never used the words non-physical.

I say primarily spiritual because what Jesus came to resurrect in His first coming was our spirit. Paul talks abundantly about our spiritual death, especially in the book of Romans. Why? Because what keeps us from relationship from God is not our flesh being alive but our spirits being dead to God. Why? Because God is spirit. While alot may be physical in heaven, God is spirit. While we may relate to God, serve God, and worship God, thru the physical, we connect to God thru our spirit.

I don't think that heaven is the goal (spiritual or physical). Nor do I think getting back to the garden (its specific location/specific practices, ie. sex, walking in the cool of the day, etc.) is the goal either. I think that the goal is restored relationship with God wherever/whenever we are. What was severed in the at the fall and at the loss of the garden was not the relationship between man & woman, it was flawed but not severed. What was severed was the relationship between man and the Father.

Getting "us back to the garden" is not about us having sex here or there. The truth of the matter is that we have no idea how things would have played out in the garden over time. Once the world was full of people God may have put a hault to sex. Bummer, I know, but who's to say. Again we can speculate on what we can speculate, but we believe what's written under our nose - Does the Bible limit sex to marriage? Yes. Does the Bible limit marriage to this world? Yes! Unless you are LDS.

I think "getting us back to the garden" means getting us back into right relationship with God for every season of our existence. I don't think it means that life works the same at every season - Principles, sure; however, practices, not necessarily.

At the crux of the sex in heaven question, is the marriage in heaven question. What's your take? Do you believe that the Bible limits sex to marriage? If so, what do you do with Matthew 22:30 "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."?
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If your thought was that sex was in the garden the so it will be in heaven, do you also think there will be a tree of knowledge of good & evil?
Regarding the spiritual vs. physical, I understand the point you're making, but would advise you to steer clear of Gnosticism. To be human is to be both physical and spiritual. Certainly the redemption offered begins with our souls, but it was never intended to stop there. Not even in this life.

Restored relationship with God is the goal, but Scripture is clear that this relationship plays out in a new heaven/new earth scenario. And in that new earth, we have every reason to believe that God intends to restore not just us, but all of creation, to what it was meant to be in the first place. You might disagree with what that is, but it makes perfect sense to conclude that it looks like the Garden.

Like I said, I don't know that there will be sex in heaven and I think there's actually more evidence against the notion than there is for it, but to throw the idea out completely doesn't help either. God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply (no indication that this was 'for a time' either), and they weren't "married" in the way that we understand marriage.

Now regarding marriage in heaven, I don't know. Jesus actually doesn't say whether marriages made on earth continue in heaven, just that marriages are not made in heaven. If I were to take the literalist approach, I would conclude that when we go to heaven, we become angels, but we know that this isn't true either. Humans are different from angels by design if, for no other reason than that we are embedded with God's own image.

There's a ton of ambiguity here.
Your opening statements on both of your replies are hilarious and annoying at the same time. Both make statements about my train of thought that are not evident in my comments. I am far from a gnostic. If you read, not even carefully, you can see that. I thought that this was a discussion board and not a debate. You seem to be using debating techniques - making extreme statements regarding my stance (however false) in order to somehow bring more credibility to your stance. This won't play out well in the long run if the goal is to truly have open dialogue w/o judgement.

That set aside, I see thru your take on Matthew 20:30 that I have read that verse with a conclusion already in mind. It is true that it does not touch on marriages already in place. For me, this is the only point that holds H20 and is enough to make me rethink. Not changing my theology just yet, but definately makes me want to study that verse a little more.

One last question, Why do you think this is a relevant question for your audience? I think it is, but was wondering why you thought so.
"I thought that this was a discussion board and not a debate."

-First, its not defined as either. Both are completely acceptable so long as they are done respectfully. Debate can be judgment-free just fine.

Second, I wasn't meaning to make an extreme statement regarding your stance, I was just picking up on a spiritual/physical divide and wanted to comment on it. You may not have gone as far as most Christians (who are secretly Gnostic) and said that the physical is bad, but you did set heaven up as a "primarily spiritual" place as a way to demonstrate that there won't be physical birth. You then acknowledged that, sure there will be physical realities but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus came first to redeem our souls. Of course, you're correct, but this doesn't make heaven a "primarily spiritual" place where the functions and activities carried out in the body are of secondary concern. That's where I see a significant leap in your logic.

Essentially, you went from Jesus redeeming our souls in his first coming to God being Spirit to Heaven being primarily spiritual to that's why there won't be physical birth.

If I've misunderstood your position, please let me know. I've read over your responses a couple times and think I've gotten it right.

In response, I'll say this. God is Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in truth, as Jesus said. In heaven, though, we will have bodies (albeit glorified) and do physical things. And those physical things, whatever they may be, will be a means of worship in the new world as we do all things as unto the Lord and where his glory will fill every nook and cranny of our existence. The cool part, as we see from Paul's teaching, is that we can begin to do that even now.

Finally...why did we think this a relevant question? I wrote it down because it popped into my head one day. I was probably thinking about my relationship with my wife and wondered what sort of relationship we might have in heaven.

So, i figured if I was curious, others probably were, too.
I think the answer is yes. I don't have a verse to refer to.
I think that sex is not love and love is not sex...I think we will be so consumed in the love of God that we won't even think about or miss sex in heaven..I'm just sayin';)
What about those of us on Earth, who obey and abstain from sex outside of marriage? Those of us who have little or no sex at all as a result? WIll our reward for a long life time of suffering from No sex on earth be.....No sex in Heaven (or the New Earth)? All the while knowing that most of your saved (forgiven) friends had sex whenever they wanted to on earth, sinful or not?

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